workreformscandal.com -- if website is down, use this link instead (all identifiable information has been redacted/modified as to abide to Reddit's rules. If we didn't do this we would all of been banned instantly as it would've counted as harassment/brigading. I know it can be confusing reading through all the logs, so I would recommend reading the comments to get a better understanding of the situation)
This is a call to action.
DISCLAIMER: Strong language, rated M for Mature.
Join r/Workers_Revolt for developments regarding the workreform scandal. As you are reading this, I am probably already banned from WorkReform , they will not wait to censor me or all the other founding and original mods who support me. This post will live on through crossposting. Please share this anywhere you can within Reddit’s Terms of Service so that communities become aware of unworthy power-mongering moderators and Reddit’s stance on democracy.
We created WorkReform because we believe in transparency and democracy. We believe in equal rights between all workers. We wanted workers to feel safe knowing the mod team could be trusted and that mods would work for them. We created a new place intended for workers to speak up without fear of being silenced or suppressed by higher ups whose only goal is to benefit their own.
We have failed you.
In the span of 72 hours, WorkReform went from the heaven it was meant to be – to its’ complete opposite hell. The mods I was forced to appoint have now taken over the sub. It is now controlled by power tripping people who have no intention of empowering you to democratically shape our movement.
What was initially a temporary lack of transparency in the name of defense is now made permanent thanks to the new mods. All posts are being manually filtered by the top moderator and their friends, in an effort to push their own narratives and long-term failed personal Reddit projects. They manually select what post goes to the frontpage, manipulate votes, and astroturf the subreddit by blocking new submissions, only accepting those that fit their agendas.
We can’t stop them anymore. Opposing moderators were intimidated through the very union-busting tactics we fight against and were gradually silently removed. At one moment, the modqueue was 70 submissions long (This is what just 20 looks like: https://imgur.com/a/KuHoPtH) and we feared accepting any, because we knew those posts waiting were not what the new mods wanted but we couldn’t come to reject them.
There is no democracy anymore, the top mod and their friends get to dictate what the sub is about. They do not trust or care for you to shape this sub. We have been manipulated and lied to. Reddit admins refuse to help (actually, they don’t even answer me, which is worse). The sub is doomed.
This is the reddit version of a new shitty manager being hired at your workplace, and that manager only exists to make your life a pain. Worse, they clean house and hire all their friends to replace you. It is nepotism at its finest.
For those who want to understand the situation better, let’s go into specifics. Let’s rewind time back a bit.
I created the sub on Jan 26. The sub reached 450 000 members on Jan 27. That same day, the reddit admins forced us to appoint new moderators. In reality, we wanted to go slow and work with the community because we were unfamiliar with Reddit… But they wanted us to appoint new mods NOW. After accepting the reality that I couldn’t keep my promise with the community, I gave up mod to someone else…
Then we met the new mods in question. Following a series of manipulative speeches where they promised transparency, democracy, and alignment with the broader Work Reform movement, we appointed these new moderators up. They managed to gain all of our trust at our most vulnerable point, and we ended up being deceived. https://imgur.com/a/KNzSsIn (28 Jan 2022, 2:24pm PST, proof of their manipulation) (Note that all names and identifiers are replaced to abide to Reddit ToS)
Since then, every attempt at transparency, no matter how basic, has been rejected and no democratic election of moderators has happened; and instead, friends of the powermods are being brought on, without us even having a say on it.
They convinced us it was for the better that we hand them control. They coached us on how to do it. They tricked us. After we handed them control, they immediately took off their masks, setting forth rules on their own, intimidating other moderators, and we’re left with a fucking burning sack of shit. We asked for control back, and of course they refused to give it.
So we’re mind-blown that this has happened. Reddit admins enabled this, and won’t fix it.
The new power mods are not your rightful leaders. You were promised democracy where you would elect your leaders. They have performed a facist takeover. https://imgur.com/a/JIOPgc0 (proof they use this sub to push their own project, completely disregarding the intended purpose of the sub)
We do not understand why. They have spent years building a Bernie Sanders movement and networking with Progressive politicians - they even had an AMA with AOC - and now they turn on the community like this, going against everything Bernie Sanders and Progressives would stand for!? It makes no sense.
So you might be wondering how I learned all of that? Why did I not tell you sooner?
The WorkReform mod team has a discord server. This is where they discuss what posts get approved, what posts get removed, what rules get implemented, etc etc. Typical modding stuff.
This is a message that was sent from the current top mod to OG mod u/itzwarty , first red flag :
https://preview.redd.it/ywg4vik09ef81.png?width=1256&format=png&auto=webp&s=25eea43aa21878bbd7381e4b5ff8cc1744be23b0Those modteams aren't a democracy. It's a project headed by ["Not Us, Me"] and myself in close collaboration with a handful of our friends.
Uhh? He never ever mentioned this before becoming a mod. In fact we discussed the exact opposite - transparency of moderation actions, community-driven environment, moderators in service, collaborative moderation, transparent moderation election, and frankly this needing to be bigger than just one subreddit. What’s next, he’ll want to go on national news to try to explain a movement he doesn’t even comprehend?
Is this how their other projects, “SFP” and “NDA” operate? By co-opting existing communities, feigning transparency and being community-driven, banning everyone they disagree with to create an echochamber, hiding all of this from the community who thinks the community is organic? This is not what Bernie Sanders and Progressives stand for, and this is not what the politicians and future leaders of our country that they are working with expect, so why are these people now dictating what 1,000,000 redditors can see and say from the shadows?
But then, it got even worse. Shit hit the fan.
I received a notification. The last notification I will ever receive from that server. Read this:
Holy fucking shit lol, wait what the fuck did I just read?
First thing I did was straight out call him out on it. No way I’m letting this slide.
But then guess what? 10 seconds after I called him out on it, he banned me. I didn’t even have time to screenshot it.
He attempts to invalidate democracy on reddit because “people are free to unsubscribe”. This is the equivalent of saying that North Korea is a democracy because "people are free to leave". How fucking delusional and disconnected from the situation do you have to be to actually believe that. He went against ALL founding principles of the subreddit, the very REASON it was created!
This is such a fucking shit show. I’m ashamed that it has come to this.
What else is there to say really? We have failed you and succumbed to the takeover of hostile power mods. The sub is controlled by power freaks, it is not in good hands. They are now choosing your leaders for you. Here is their recent mod recruiting post, not even trying to hide that it won't be democratic!
We understand some of you may not believe or fully trust this post, so for full transparency, we are providing the community with WorkReform’s full snapshot of its moderation Discord server. We have thoroughly swept through and redacted it to ensure it is compatible with Reddit’s Terms of Service. A few records of messages by short-term moderators who had nothing to do with this have been removed, and where redactions happened is clearly outlined. Usernames and personally identifiable information have been stripped quite beyond necessary.
It is our right and ethical duty to gather and hand this data to you. It would be immoral for us to not tell you this: you are being tricked, and we cannot allow that to continue.
27 Jan 2022, ~7pm PST powermod joins the team.
27 Jan 2022, 8:29pm PST - ‘Yeah, it 100% makes sense to emphasize “This is a community-led movement”’ from powermod’s sidekick.
28 Jan 2022, 2:24pm PST - Subreddit ownership transfer.
28 Jan 2022, 2:44pm PST - “We don’t need to be personally responding to anything right now”
28 Jan 2022, 2:53pm PST - Someone brings up concern over the reordered mod listing with powermod now on top, popcorn ensues. “Don't approve meta posts that ask why things were removed, are critical of mods, negative on the community”
28 Jan 2022, 3:43pm PST - It is decreed we cannot approve “What is workreform?” or “what are our goals?” posts. We cannot collaborate with other subreddits.
28 Jan 2022, 3:48pm PST - “Transparency works in theory but the more you give, the more the bad folks out there will take”
28 Jan 2022, 10:04pm PST - An original mod wants to start recruiting and is told to funnel that through the top mod.
29 Jan 2022, 6:47pm PST - “Just let it go for now”
29 Jan 2022, 1:56pm PST - New rules are rolled out without consulting any original moderators. Note the comment that powermod’s friends have full permissions while older moderators do not.
29 Jan 2022, 2:08pm PST - “Discussion is great & welcome if productive, but we have our eyes set on a big prize”
30 Jan 2022, ~9am PST A moderator is kicked rather than being allowed to leave themselves.
30 Jan 2022, 11:30am-12:29pm PST - More basic attempts at transparency: “Those mods are gone. They are gone in part because they were promising things they couldn't deliver & things that reddit communities aren't really able to do.” So I guess they don’t even want to let us try democracy, eh? More basic attempts at transparency: “Those mods are gone. They are gone in part because they were promising things they couldn't deliver & things that reddit communities aren't really able to do.” So I guess they don’t even want to let us try democracy, eh?
30 Jan 2022, 3:41pm PST We tried to make a [transparency post](https://web.archive.org/web/20220130211612/https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sgj6qq/im_a_mod_here_in_rworkreform_wanted_to_give_a/) which you can [still see online](https://www.reveddit.com/v/WorkReform/comments/sgj6qq/im_a_mod_here_in_rworkreform_wanted_to_give_a/) but it was closed by the primary dictator. https://imgur.com/a/sd2m2ij
30 Jan 2022, 10:51pm PST, original moderators begin discussing the hijack.
31 Jan 2022, 1:15pm PST - ‘We’re stepping away from “Transparency is Key” as a mantra I think’
31 Jan 2022, 2:22pm PST - Reddit admin informs us they will not be stepping in.
31 Jan 2022, 3:07pm PST, dissenting moderator is removed from the team.
31 Jan 2022, 3:35pm PST, founder u/RIOP3L messages powermod saying “youre going against the principles upon which the sub was founded” and is kicked within seconds.
31 Jan 2022 3:44pm PST - WorkReform begins recruiting new moderators.
2 Feb 2022 2:45am PST: This post is made.
While we are fully attempting to comply with Reddit’s Terms of Service and intend to cooperate with any communication received from administrators, we do not know if they will delete our post or suppress this information. We ask our users to also comply with Reddit’s Terms of Service and intend to remove ourselves from this situation.
Our goal is not to incite hate or division, our goal is to give our community the opportunity of informed consent - to know that:
Reddit communities are not organic. That is a lie. Reddit provides tools for moderators to astroturf subreddits and create echo-chambers without the consent or knowledge of the community. Anyone who points this out is banned. Reddit lets moderators manipulate their communities’ votes to decide what gets on the front page.
Reddit communities are controlled by a tiny group of paranoid power-hungry fascists who only serve each other. https://imgur.com/a/u2SVq9B https://imgur.com/a/JIOPgc0
Reddit either supports or overlooks these fascists and will not stand for democracy or worker movements when it counts. Reddit does not stand by the millions of workers fighting for basic human rights, healthcare, living and thriving wages, workspace representation, and a mass-movement to improve worker conditions in the US and beyond.
We hope you take a few things away from this:
Like workplaces, Reddit communities and moderators are divided-and-conquered by their top-moderators. Coups and hostile takeovers are real. There is zero power in the community and zero power in lesser volunteer moderators who want to fight the status quo.
Facist takeovers are real and happen at the snap of a finger. Adversaries will work to gain your trust, lower your weaknesses, and then backstab you.
Reddit communities can promise transparency while simultaneously heavily censoring opposing thoughts. You thought this community was normal. You thought we intended for democracy. Those in control did not, and you did not realize it.
Reddit will not help you if your community is co-opted. It is clear as day, and we hope you see the same. We sent them these logs. They replied that they would do nothing.
We tell you this not to stir drama, but to inform you. We were naïve. You are probably still naïve. We want to give you the power of information.
Our final recommendation to the community, if you choose to continue mobilizing on Reddit:
Splinter into a thousand small communities and trust only those that permit cross-pollination. Big subreddits are OK, but we cannot put all our eggs in one or a few baskets. Our movement cannot succumb to power-hungry moderators. Our movement is simply just too important.
Demand moderators who serve communities transparently. We failed at first, but we are doing it for you now. And others can do it too. For something as important as worker reform, we need transparency and accountability.
So this is it. This is our last call. There is 2 options left for the current moderation of WorkReform:
Give control back to the OG mods, allowing us to run moderator elections, salvaging whatever is left of your reputation in the process, or;
Keep control, permanently tainting yourselves as power mongers.
Members
Online
workreformscandal.com -- if website is down, use this link instead (all identifiable information has been redacted/modified as to abide to Reddit's rules. If we didn't do this we would all of been banned instantly as it would've counted as harassment/brigading. I know it can be confusing reading through all the logs, so I would recommend reading the comments to get a better understanding of the situation)
This is a call to action.
DISCLAIMER: Strong language, rated M for Mature.
Join r/Workers_Revolt for developments regarding the workreform scandal. As you are reading this, I am probably already banned from WorkReform , they will not wait to censor me or all the other founding and original mods who support me. This post will live on through crossposting. Please share this anywhere you can within Reddit’s Terms of Service so that communities become aware of unworthy power-mongering moderators and Reddit’s stance on democracy.
We created WorkReform because we believe in transparency and democracy. We believe in equal rights between all workers. We wanted workers to feel safe knowing the mod team could be trusted and that mods would work for them. We created a new place intended for workers to speak up without fear of being silenced or suppressed by higher ups whose only goal is to benefit their own.
We have failed you.
In the span of 72 hours, WorkReform went from the heaven it was meant to be – to its’ complete opposite hell. The mods I was forced to appoint have now taken over the sub. It is now controlled by power tripping people who have no intention of empowering you to democratically shape our movement.
What was initially a temporary lack of transparency in the name of defense is now made permanent thanks to the new mods. All posts are being manually filtered by the top moderator and their friends, in an effort to push their own narratives and long-term failed personal Reddit projects. They manually select what post goes to the frontpage, manipulate votes, and astroturf the subreddit by blocking new submissions, only accepting those that fit their agendas.
We can’t stop them anymore. Opposing moderators were intimidated through the very union-busting tactics we fight against and were gradually silently removed. At one moment, the modqueue was 70 submissions long (This is what just 20 looks like: https://imgur.com/a/KuHoPtH) and we feared accepting any, because we knew those posts waiting were not what the new mods wanted but we couldn’t come to reject them.
There is no democracy anymore, the top mod and their friends get to dictate what the sub is about. They do not trust or care for you to shape this sub. We have been manipulated and lied to. Reddit admins refuse to help (actually, they don’t even answer me, which is worse). The sub is doomed.
This is the reddit version of a new shitty manager being hired at your workplace, and that manager only exists to make your life a pain. Worse, they clean house and hire all their friends to replace you. It is nepotism at its finest.
For those who want to understand the situation better, let’s go into specifics. Let’s rewind time back a bit.
I created the sub on Jan 26. The sub reached 450 000 members on Jan 27. That same day, the reddit admins forced us to appoint new moderators. In reality, we wanted to go slow and work with the community because we were unfamiliar with Reddit… But they wanted us to appoint new mods NOW. After accepting the reality that I couldn’t keep my promise with the community, I gave up mod to someone else…
Then we met the new mods in question. Following a series of manipulative speeches where they promised transparency, democracy, and alignment with the broader Work Reform movement, we appointed these new moderators up. They managed to gain all of our trust at our most vulnerable point, and we ended up being deceived. https://imgur.com/a/KNzSsIn (28 Jan 2022, 2:24pm PST, proof of their manipulation) (Note that all names and identifiers are replaced to abide to Reddit ToS)
Since then, every attempt at transparency, no matter how basic, has been rejected and no democratic election of moderators has happened; and instead, friends of the powermods are being brought on, without us even having a say on it.
They convinced us it was for the better that we hand them control. They coached us on how to do it. They tricked us. After we handed them control, they immediately took off their masks, setting forth rules on their own, intimidating other moderators, and we’re left with a fucking burning sack of shit. We asked for control back, and of course they refused to give it.
So we’re mind-blown that this has happened. Reddit admins enabled this, and won’t fix it.
The new power mods are not your rightful leaders. You were promised democracy where you would elect your leaders. They have performed a facist takeover. https://imgur.com/a/JIOPgc0 (proof they use this sub to push their own project, completely disregarding the intended purpose of the sub)
We do not understand why. They have spent years building a Bernie Sanders movement and networking with Progressive politicians - they even had an AMA with AOC - and now they turn on the community like this, going against everything Bernie Sanders and Progressives would stand for!? It makes no sense.
So you might be wondering how I learned all of that? Why did I not tell you sooner?
The WorkReform mod team has a discord server. This is where they discuss what posts get approved, what posts get removed, what rules get implemented, etc etc. Typical modding stuff.
This is a message that was sent from the current top mod to OG mod u/itzwarty , first red flag :
Those modteams aren't a democracy. It's a project headed by ["Not Us, Me"] and myself in close collaboration with a handful of our friends.
Uhh? He never ever mentioned this before becoming a mod. In fact we discussed the exact opposite - transparency of moderation actions, community-driven environment, moderators in service, collaborative moderation, transparent moderation election, and frankly this needing to be bigger than just one subreddit. What’s next, he’ll want to go on national news to try to explain a movement he doesn’t even comprehend?
Is this how their other projects, “SFP” and “NDA” operate? By co-opting existing communities, feigning transparency and being community-driven, banning everyone they disagree with to create an echochamber, hiding all of this from the community who thinks the community is organic? This is not what Bernie Sanders and Progressives stand for, and this is not what the politicians and future leaders of our country that they are working with expect, so why are these people now dictating what 1,000,000 redditors can see and say from the shadows?
But then, it got even worse. Shit hit the fan.
I received a notification. The last notification I will ever receive from that server. Read this:
Holy fucking shit lol, wait what the fuck did I just read?
First thing I did was straight out call him out on it. No way I’m letting this slide.
But then guess what? 10 seconds after I called him out on it, he banned me. I didn’t even have time to screenshot it.
He attempts to invalidate democracy on reddit because “people are free to unsubscribe”. This is the equivalent of saying that North Korea is a democracy because "people are free to leave". How fucking delusional and disconnected from the situation do you have to be to actually believe that. He went against ALL founding principles of the subreddit, the very REASON it was created!
This is such a fucking shit show. I’m ashamed that it has come to this.
What else is there to say really? We have failed you and succumbed to the takeover of hostile power mods. The sub is controlled by power freaks, it is not in good hands. They are now choosing your leaders for you. Here is their recent mod recruiting post, not even trying to hide that it won't be democratic!
We understand some of you may not believe or fully trust this post, so for full transparency, we are providing the community with WorkReform’s full snapshot of its moderation Discord server. We have thoroughly swept through and redacted it to ensure it is compatible with Reddit’s Terms of Service. A few records of messages by short-term moderators who had nothing to do with this have been removed, and where redactions happened is clearly outlined. Usernames and personally identifiable information have been stripped quite beyond necessary.
It is our right and ethical duty to gather and hand this data to you. It would be immoral for us to not tell you this: you are being tricked, and we cannot allow that to continue.
27 Jan 2022, ~7pm PST powermod joins the team.
27 Jan 2022, 8:29pm PST - ‘Yeah, it 100% makes sense to emphasize “This is a community-led movement”’ from powermod’s sidekick.
28 Jan 2022, 2:24pm PST - Subreddit ownership transfer.
28 Jan 2022, 2:44pm PST - “We don’t need to be personally responding to anything right now”
28 Jan 2022, 2:53pm PST - Someone brings up concern over the reordered mod listing with powermod now on top, popcorn ensues. “Don't approve meta posts that ask why things were removed, are critical of mods, negative on the community”
28 Jan 2022, 3:43pm PST - It is decreed we cannot approve “What is workreform?” or “what are our goals?” posts. We cannot collaborate with other subreddits.
28 Jan 2022, 3:48pm PST - “Transparency works in theory but the more you give, the more the bad folks out there will take”
28 Jan 2022, 10:04pm PST - An original mod wants to start recruiting and is told to funnel that through the top mod.
29 Jan 2022, 6:47pm PST - “Just let it go for now”
29 Jan 2022, 1:56pm PST - New rules are rolled out without consulting any original moderators. Note the comment that powermod’s friends have full permissions while older moderators do not.
29 Jan 2022, 2:08pm PST - “Discussion is great & welcome if productive, but we have our eyes set on a big prize”
30 Jan 2022, ~9am PST A moderator is kicked rather than being allowed to leave themselves.
30 Jan 2022, 11:30am-12:29pm PST - More basic attempts at transparency: “Those mods are gone. They are gone in part because they were promising things they couldn't deliver & things that reddit communities aren't really able to do.” So I guess they don’t even want to let us try democracy, eh? More basic attempts at transparency: “Those mods are gone. They are gone in part because they were promising things they couldn't deliver & things that reddit communities aren't really able to do.” So I guess they don’t even want to let us try democracy, eh?
30 Jan 2022, 3:41pm PST We tried to make a [transparency post](https://web.archive.org/web/20220130211612/https://old.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sgj6qq/im_a_mod_here_in_rworkreform_wanted_to_give_a/) which you can [still see online](https://www.reveddit.com/v/WorkReform/comments/sgj6qq/im_a_mod_here_in_rworkreform_wanted_to_give_a/) but it was closed by the primary dictator. https://imgur.com/a/sd2m2ij
30 Jan 2022, 10:51pm PST, original moderators begin discussing the hijack.
31 Jan 2022, 1:15pm PST - ‘We’re stepping away from “Transparency is Key” as a mantra I think’
31 Jan 2022, 2:22pm PST - Reddit admin informs us they will not be stepping in.
31 Jan 2022, 3:07pm PST, dissenting moderator is removed from the team.
31 Jan 2022, 3:35pm PST, founder u/RIOP3L messages powermod saying “youre going against the principles upon which the sub was founded” and is kicked within seconds.
31 Jan 2022 3:44pm PST - WorkReform begins recruiting new moderators.
2 Feb 2022 2:45am PST: This post is made.
While we are fully attempting to comply with Reddit’s Terms of Service and intend to cooperate with any communication received from administrators, we do not know if they will delete our post or suppress this information. We ask our users to also comply with Reddit’s Terms of Service and intend to remove ourselves from this situation.
Our goal is not to incite hate or division, our goal is to give our community the opportunity of informed consent - to know that:
Reddit communities are not organic. That is a lie. Reddit provides tools for moderators to astroturf subreddits and create echo-chambers without the consent or knowledge of the community. Anyone who points this out is banned. Reddit lets moderators manipulate their communities’ votes to decide what gets on the front page.
Reddit communities are controlled by a tiny group of paranoid power-hungry fascists who only serve each other. https://imgur.com/a/u2SVq9B https://imgur.com/a/JIOPgc0
Reddit either supports or overlooks these fascists and will not stand for democracy or worker movements when it counts. Reddit does not stand by the millions of workers fighting for basic human rights, healthcare, living and thriving wages, workspace representation, and a mass-movement to improve worker conditions in the US and beyond.
We hope you take a few things away from this:
Like workplaces, Reddit communities and moderators are divided-and-conquered by their top-moderators. Coups and hostile takeovers are real. There is zero power in the community and zero power in lesser volunteer moderators who want to fight the status quo.
Facist takeovers are real and happen at the snap of a finger. Adversaries will work to gain your trust, lower your weaknesses, and then backstab you.
Reddit communities can promise transparency while simultaneously heavily censoring opposing thoughts. You thought this community was normal. You thought we intended for democracy. Those in control did not, and you did not realize it.
Reddit will not help you if your community is co-opted. It is clear as day, and we hope you see the same. We sent them these logs. They replied that they would do nothing.
We tell you this not to stir drama, but to inform you. We were naïve. You are probably still naïve. We want to give you the power of information.
Our final recommendation to the community, if you choose to continue mobilizing on Reddit:
Splinter into a thousand small communities and trust only those that permit cross-pollination. Big subreddits are OK, but we cannot put all our eggs in one or a few baskets. Our movement cannot succumb to power-hungry moderators. Our movement is simply just too important.
Demand moderators who serve communities transparently. We failed at first, but we are doing it for you now. And others can do it too. For something as important as worker reform, we need transparency and accountability.
So this is it. This is our last call. There is 2 options left for the current moderation of WorkReform:
Give control back to the OG mods, allowing us to run moderator elections, salvaging whatever is left of your reputation in the process, or;
Keep control, permanently tainting yourselves as power mongers.
Hey all! I was a mod in WR and can vet this story. I apologize for bringing SFP/NDA mods into the WR subreddit. Like the subreddit's founders, I trusted them, and my trust was violated. BTW once this gets deleted elsewhere anyone who mentions it is totally getting banned by the powermods. It'll also get auto-filtered by a bot.
https://old.reddit.com/user/ItzWarty/comments/segov3/volunteering_for_rworkreform/
The story from my perspective?
In 2016/2020, they controlled the primary Bernie Sanders subreddit (~600k subs).
When Bernie lost the 2020 elections, they became irrelevant. They tried to start another progressive subreddit, but that has not taken off (~60k subs after 1.5 years)
They saw WorkReform's mods as naive and decided to exploit them to gain a larger audience because, y'know, internet power. The chat messages are all here in the post, it's undeniable.
Like the subreddit's founders, I promised transparency when I joined as a mod. This is what you deserve.
I apologize for trusting in those who should not have been trusted.
Edit: I even wrote a few days ago:
For a lot of moderators, their subreddit is their only realm of power and control in their life. So they act so freaking petty over the most dumb shit it's frankly depressing.
I was coincidentally thinking about this a few days ago. I guess we're like-minded.
Moderation is not an escape from reality. I'm sure plenty of other mods treat it as such: their only chance to be relevant or meaningful in an extremely unfriendly world that by default does not care for them. That mindset is obviously unhealthy, so perhaps we shouldn't punch downward at those who see it as such. We should pity them and wish them a better future.
We should pity those who find excitement that for once in life they have a fucking purpose, because deep down inside a lot of us are feeling that. A lot of us are feeling swept along in life, unsure if we'll have jobs tomorrow let alone start families or own houses one day. The clock keeps ticking. Time won't stop for us.
I digress. Anyway, Reddit clearly has a large moderation problem and I don't know how they can solve it without fundamentally changing the platform.
I think the only real solution is to have hundreds of competing subreddits all focused on different variations of the same goal, yet collectively mobilizing to do so. Effectively power through decentralization, though obviously the cost of fragmentation is then an issue. Is that possible on Reddit? I think it's yet to be seen...
Either that, or the community needs to rally behind a lasting leader: the MLK of our time. I don't know who that will be, but I've been waiting.
Yes, SFP censored opposing thoughts HEAVILY. I joined because I wanted to build tooling that empowered the community to spot bad-actors earlier (e.g. flair users with low karma, flair new accounts, that sort of stuff) and avoid devolving into infighting.
I was told SFP censored opposing thoughts because primaries are about "getting out the vote" not "converting minds". I didn't think too much of it at the time - that seemed to make sense, there was an end-date in sight (the elections), and the tools I was building were demonstrably empowering the community to know what battles to pick (which also meant fewer users that went against the mold were banned -- win win!) - even if it was the wrong team for me (probably every Reddit mod team is), I felt I was doing some good.
And by the way, speaking of tooling I really do think democracy on reddit IS possible, if you limit it to certain criteria (e.g. Users with accounts > certain age) + allow an iterative voting process to bring in new users and detect bad actors.
But more importantly, even if true democracy is not possible, transparency is - it would be trivial for communities to at minimum provide aggregate statistics on moderation. It would be trivial for communities to have a bot which users vote on, to determine discipline on other users. It would be trivial for communities to give active community members the right to speak to bots, which then limit their actions to, say, X per week.
The point is, I really wish we'd tried. I really believed we could do some good and put power in the community.
This is like some Icarus Documentary level shit. People tried to make a new sub and fell ass backwards into the conspiracy that mods control what gets seen on reddit the same way algorithms do on Facebook. Been looking for a reason to drop this platform for a while, maybe this will finally be it. Permaban me, see if I care.
Hey hey friends and i have been working on a different forum site because we felt that things have been going really weird with the reddit sub. This is what we came up with if you guys wanna maybe take a look at it? It has exactly one post and is still a work in progress https://antallies.com/
I feel like I'm doing something bad lol but https://antallies.com/ is something friends and i have been working on as an alternative for this cause if you wanna check it out? (Still a work in progress, pls excuse the emptiness)
Host your own with https://joinmastodon.org or https://join-lemmy.org/
Lemmy is an open source reddit clone and mastodon is the largest selfhostable social media (although more similar to twitter afaik)
The OP is a literal troll. If you look at his profile, you'll see pretty obvious trolling that dominates his entire account. He even created r/halalmains which is full of racist, bigoted, misogynist bullshit.
Why are you listening to him?!?!
Dude might be a troll but still doesn't take away from this situation and the fact that Reddit mods are literally actively shaping communities to believe what they want, internet janitors going on power trips. An issue that has ran wild for years. I am sorry but I have no sympathy for powermods. And I can see you're a mod in r/news and that's a big yikes for me.
And just because he posts jokes and satire around reddit what he says should be invalidated?
If you're on mobile try opening in a new link and zoom it like you would any other picture. It's full scale for me
.The TL;DR is that OP is a troll and is doing what he does best: trolling.
If you look at his profile, you'll see pretty obvious trolling that dominates his entire account. He even created r/halalmains which is full of racist, bigoted, misogynist bullshit.
He got bored of the sub after the drama. Quit the team because he doesn't actually care about work reform, then came back to start more drama, because that's what entertains him. It sounds like he's also pushing some website, which I bet he has ties to and will likely benefit from in some way.
We all know who mods workreform now. Feel free to tell them how displeased we are Our demands should be
To return the sub to the original owners And to start working on sub elections as the new mods promised us and lied. We were told elections and we got mod applications by a bunch of facists
They deleted the posts. Dont be afraid to comment to the mods how fucked up they are. Theyre erasing it all again and purging mods now
The best thing you can do is talk to people irl. Don't just talk to them and leave either, give them the resources to get started reading on their own. I think that's where a lot drop the ball, they sit and explain things out rather than giving good reading material for others to reach their own conclusion.
this needs to go to the top. reddit is a manipulated circlejerk now more than ever. if anyone wants to take this move ment seriously, it must have its own platform or be on an actually free speech platform. reddit isn't it. the bottom line is that reddit is a corporation and subject to manipulation and their own self interest, which can both, have nothing to do with the movement, or have everything to do with it. it's time to leave.
Wow this makes so much sense. I’ve been seeing nothing but memes reposted there since you left and it has been hair-ripping-out annoying as fuck. A few stories sprinkled here and there that are just replicas of what we were all there for. Nothing to actually wish people to organize or help them to in real life, yet “celebrating” with a cross-post when Starbucks gets a new union.
I’m already upset for other real life reasons but this is so sad to see. Thanks for bringing this cohesively to light. I’m so tired… so very tired…
Edit: it’s already been unstickied and locked. Fucking predictable.
Edit 2: they’re already removing the top comments.
Edit 3: I sure can’t imagine why they would ever want this to not be seen
And it looks like the first one was the same thing that /u/ItzWarty has copy/pasted in here but it doesn’t show the whole comment, I could’ve sworn it was the same one.
Edit 4: God damnit I had literally just clicked this one to read it
Edit 5: the last OG /u/ShawnMilo has either left or been removed from the mod list there. Only mentioned because they were still a mod when I started this comment.
I'm really sorry this is happening. As some of you know this happened with some of the stock related subreddits. Some/All of these subreddits have been betrayed, by forcing new administrators to the subreddit.
I wish there was any solution, but I can only give my opinion to help other redditors out.
Two-factor authentication is an absolute must. You really don't want your account hacked
Only trust, who you can really trust. If you feel something is sus, then it is sus.
Unfortunately, you have to always expect that some admin is going to damage the community.
Spread knowledge of worker reform across reddit/twitter/friends/families. If you really want change, this is the only way.
Companies/Hedge Funds/Political Elite are absolutely scared. Their not scared of a subreddit, they are scared of people critically thinking and that people realize they are being critically fukd by the system.
Doesn't reddit have some kind of like, ultra mod so you can become him and ban fools like them?
EDIT: Also i want to add, people CAN'T organize through social media because of this and many other reasons. JOIN A UNION, REAL WORLD CHANGE can happen ONLY through REAL WORLD ACTION.
Nice catching you randomly in public freak out two days ago, didnt think I’d come across a post of yours for a while....
This is the modus operandi of most people that want to be mods on Reddit. They power trip. The type of person that wants to be a mod should never be a mod.
This was always what was going to happen. Clear as day.
It was noble to step down.... but you really shouldn’t have.
From what I understand the sub gained half a million followers overnight and the mods were falling behind on moderating, so the reddit admins put pressure on them to get their shit together immediately. Knowing that moderating a sub with half a million members is hard and requires some modding experience, the mods appointed a bunch of "powermods", i.e. people with experience modding large subs. Everything went downhill from there.
With all this, can we get a damn website built that we would control??? We all know reddit is monitored and we have no true transparency like we want. I'm looking for a way to start one today, and I will use work reform, I don't think any kind of revolt or anything with negative imitations need to be used. To win at their game we have to play their game until we can be 8n a position to change the rules. If anyone wants to help, please email me. Enough is enough, we need to move on.
Your post on r/WorkReform lasted all of 3 hours of the early morning before it was unpinned and locked. Glad I was able to see it in time though.
I agree that mechanisms to check/balance moderator power is needed but mods aren’t “leaders” and they have zero authority or grounds to represent the subscribers and contributors of a sub. We need to change our perspective here so that it’s inherently understood, mods are not leaders of subs. Not in any way.
At best, their role should be that of a content editor. They should be reviewing content to ensure it fits the sub and doesn’t break the rules.
Yep. Goes to show, everyone is susceptible to corruption and it happens at all levels of life. Not to say we shouldn’t actively work to protect ourselves and each other from it, quite the opposite, rather.
At the end of the day, power is a drug and humans are apes. The fact that we’re not all swinging tree to tree, throwing our shit at each other is a miracle of coincidence in a long line of miracles of coincidence.
The fact that we’re not all swinging tree to tree, throwing our shit at each other is a miracle
Well, speak for yourself. You don't know what I do on the weekends.
But also, yeah. I've never really cared about the content of a subreddit enough to care who the mods are. Maybe it's my fault for buying into a subreddit like this at all, but I'm definitely thrown off by how easily there was essentially a hostile takeover that was also completely silent, and by how easy it is for the new crew to manipulate content without any sort of transparency.
Sssooo, wanna hang out this weekend?
Seriously though, what you’re sahibh about yourself is part of the problem but also very much by design. I go from entirely numb and apathetic to downright enraged and ready to burn the whole place down at least ~100 times on a daily basis.
Consumerism driven by capitalism has been systemically implemented to shape our lives in such a way that it continues to feed itself exponentially and makes it extremely difficult to change at the same time. You literally cannot live in our society today without contributing to the very systems & people that are doing the damage in the first place.
At the end of the day, change is uncomfortable. It took us a long time to get here and it hasn’t worked well for enough people. It will take us a long time to figure something else out and it may not work but I’m game to try any variety of other options because this is not cool at all.
The sad part is when the founder announced they were leaving a lot of us pleaded for him to keep his top mod spot even if he stopped actively modding, because we knew this would happen. In theory he could have prevented this by staying in that top mod slot. I say in theory because in reality the other mods would have found a way to get him banned from reddit so they could move up the mod ladder.
Sounds reasonable to me.
If the United States made it so votes didn't count and the same fuckers were in power all the time then a removal from that system and a revolt IN THAT ORDER is what should be done.
Step one here is removal of the system.
Step two is to grow the community and attempt to nurture it.
Also your comment reads it as "I didn't read the post, but I assume that since I'm always right and I don't understand it they must have thrown a tantrum."
Anymore questions?
Oh you mean besides agreeing to one set of terms in order to gain their position, and then abusing their new position to reject those terms and anyone who tries to stick to them, all behind the scenes, all silently, while also manipulating content to push their projects?
They were hoping nobody would say anything, which is exactly why it's good that this person did.
i am tired of the argument "but it can lead to XYZ"
driving can lead to death. drinking can lead to death.
if the original poster was aware of the Modus operandi of those people, but expected different, this is just a Karen behaviour.
if he didn't, there is still no harm done. funnily enough, some people took it upon themselves and agree with me by downvoting without leaving any example of overreach.
and some people, like you dear commenter before me, just downvote, paint the same gloom and doom, and basically add no new information.
Authoritarianism did happen. Transparency was thrown out the window.
The new mods acted in bad faith by omitting the fact that they "changed their minds" - from the chat screenshots, it would appear that this was their intent from day 1. These were supposed to be temporary mods. Bad faith lie-by-omission by mods is why we left the first sub. Avoiding a curated echo chamber was one of founding goals of the second sub. Here we have yet another example of those who don't do any real work in real life, co-opting something in bad faith.
Your faulty synopsis and lack of understanding, is why your comment is being downvoted. Exposing a coup is not "throwing a tantrum"and it appears to me, that you are the one painting doom and gloom.
If people put half the effort in real life to make the working environment more fair and equitable for all employees as they do worrying about mods and bots on a website owned by the largest capitalist entities on the planet, things would be much better for everyone concerned.
Instead they go for the instant dopamine "mouse in a maze getting the cheese" reward which requires no actual effort and, based on this post, just results in the masses being led by the nose to whatever goal the overlords want.
Get off reddit, get outside. (G.O.R.G.O)
This guy is a literal troll. If you look at his profile, you'll see pretty obvious trolling that dominates his entire account. He even created r/halalmains which is full of racist, bigoted, misogynist bullshit.
Why are people listening to him?!?!
Those people aren't my friends. Do you really think all mods know each other? I've got no allegiances here. I don't know the other mods.
I'm just saying that OP is shady af and loves this drama and trolling. His statements might be entirely true (idfk) but people should be aware that he likes to troll and be hateful in his free time. That context matters just as much as knowing that the current mods of workreform are SFP mods.
So the mod to r/news is randomly found here defending power mods. You think people are morons?
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